So full of stupid.
Some guy that I don't know posted/made a page called Girls <3 and said join. Normally, I would ignore stuff like that or maybe chuckle to myself. However, some woman on his page posted that it seemed sexist. I asked how is it sexist? Men like to look at pictures of women. That's normal. She whined that he named it Girls not women. I wrote a catty reply that she should start a page and call it Dicks then, it wouldn't be sexist though..but I deleted it. Since it wasn't my feed and I decided not to be a total asshole. Then she said that women aren't their body parts. So I respond that I didn't say they were. I said men had the right to look at women's bodies just like we have the right to appreciate theirs. There are things that are actually sexist or misogynistic to get mad about, this is not one of them. Then she went all histrionic on me and bemoaned the babiez. She said that his ad shows up on her Facebook and she didn't want her grandkids seeing it and thinking sex object was a good career choice. My response was ROFL. Yes because they would make that choice from seeing a picture. She blocked the conversation. OH NOEZ. Too bad. Did she think she was arguing with some cute young thing? Probably. I should have a titty shot on my Facebook. It would have pissed her off more. I would have defined some things for her had she elected to continue the argument.
Normal but possibly rude: Nice tits.
Sexist: Women will never be smart as men.
Misogynistic: You are a stupid little girl and I am a big man. What are you going to do if I rape you? (especially when they mean it).
Women like her are the reason why feminism has become a joke. Getting mad because some guy that you don't even really know makes a page of women in bikinis, wow. Get mad about the fact that the women's shelter in your hometown likely has to turn women away because it is full and then do something about it if you care.
Also old lady, if you don't want stuff like that to show up on your Facebook ads list there is a reason why they ask you why you chose to hide an ad. I get ads for science, science fiction, and comic books....you know stuff I am actually interested in.
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i don't have time right now but i will come back. will rec though, great topic for deeper discussion on feminism, western feminism anyway. happy monday btw hah
@bonmots - I was actually interested in her perspective as to how it was sexist, but she couldn't argue any of her points. I was disappointed. I get that this is objectification, but women objectify men as well just in different ways (it may not always be for their bodies) yet I promise if it was some page dedicated to how men should be she wouldn't cry sexist. I'd just wanted her perspective on it. I wasn't trolling, I just don't speak all sweet and flowery, especially not on line.
Very good point! For heaven's sake, choose your battles! No need to make a battle out of the simple fact that straight guys like looking at women. So what? The fact that they do in no way belittles women. Methinks the old lady is a tad bit over defensive over what basically amounts to NOTHING. I wonder what her issue is. Even if she's not listening to reason, I'm glad you still told it like it is.
So that's what that status was about...I was waiting for an explanation!
Your comments on objectification reminded me of this vid: LINK
Also how the hell am I not subbed to you, it gave me the notification to do so
@QuantumStorm - b/c I am old and past the expiration date for womyn?
@Erika_Steele - But hao will I makez buttermilkz nao
@Caldwell88 - I am sure the guy has posted the feed on Lamebook by now. If it were mine, I totally would.
@QuantumStorm - you buy at store. I no givez for freez anyway.
@Erika_Steele - No freezing teets, unless I can hang mah coats on 'em
And LOL at Lamebook. If it is up there you should totally screencap it
Thanks for reminding me why I don't have a FB account. On this particular matter I have too many thoughts to express in a comment.
@TheSutraDude - I wouldn't have one either if it wasn't the way I kept up with friends. Being a military kid, I have friends from all over the world and it is awesome to be able to connect with them. My opinion as expressed here is oversimplified. I thought I was avoiding drama by only keeping people that were my age or older that were married with children, but oh well. I guess not.
@Erika_Steele - I can understand that. I've kept in touch with my friends from other parts of the world usually via phone. Over the past 14 years I added email. As for drama, maybe it's just my experience but I've never seen in real life the kind of drama I see on blogging sites. I think we tend more to spew out our vitriol and frustration online because the perception that civility is a good thing is forgotten.
mad because some guy that you don't even really know makes a page of
women in bikinis, wow. Get mad about the fact that the women's shelter
in your hometown likely has to turn women away because it is full and
then do something about it if you care.
this is the crux of it (though i have harped on the point that one of the more relevant current feminist issues is women's body image)
there are feminist issues that should be treated with gravitas, and this guy's page falls under the rubric of frivolous. at the same time while it's true that women have the online and media wherewithal to objectify men back (which is a complicated issue in itself, given the way women have been socialized), i think i see her point, trite (but at the same time not) as it is. this sort of thing, dedicating a page to women's bodies--in this case, bodies in bikinis, is just part of a continuum of some of the indignities women endure. lately though, with all the coverage on Indian women being raped and not getting proper justice but also begin ostracized and shamed in the process of seeking it, this sort of complaint, pales in comparison to these women's plight.
on the home front, we too have women getting raped and not getting justice--the crime whose causes are confusing and controversial, which includes the casual objectification of women--women are still the predominant victims of violence. so yes, this woman on facebook should put her money where her mouth is. her protest can be seen as too bourgeois and middle-class and "typical" or eye-rolling. i really can't judge what motivates her. maybe she's insecure about her own body and uses sexism as an excuse to justify it. i don't know. personally, i wouldn't give a shit if some loser wants to dedicate a page to women in bikinis. and yeah he's a fucking loser. sounds like a 14 YO.
i do appreciate the admiration of women's form. it should be glorified dammit. and i still haven't decided, under this context, where this poster falls. admirer or sexist
just my 2
Maybe she was upset as she could not call herself a "girl" ;) lol
Some men like to look at pics of girls. Some like to look at pics of boys. Some women like to look at boys and some like to look at girls. . If she didn't want to look, she can just click to something else. But, this is also why I don't do fb. Loloh yeah the issue of the "girls" label. well i think labels do matter in varying degrees. i prefer to be called a woman. i stopped being a girl in my late teens
@bonmots - He probably falls under the admirer category. He is definitely not 14 as I never accepted requests from anybody's kids unless I knew their parents personally. It was probably just some spur of the moment thing that he did not think about before posting which is why I noticed it. He deleted the post, I don't know about the page (and I feel if his wife doesn't care neither should anyone else). He is married, has a son, does charity work, does work in either art or science (I was particular about the people I kept that are not actual people I know in real life). He normally posts about those topics.
I agree that the objectification of women does fuel the problem some what, but only for men who are sexist, chauvinistic, or misogynistic. The majority of men are perfectly capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality. The fact that mainstream/soft porn looks different for men and women is due to the fact that biological (and somewhat due to sociology) men and women are turned on by different things. The problem that needs to be tackled are the conditions that lead to misogyny and/or as she was concerned with girls growing up to think that women are solely objects of desire.
Not all men that drool over women mean to do women harm. The ones that are just looking and maybe not expressing their opinions in the most polite way should not be put into the same category as the ones that feel that women are only objects. Where do you draw the line? If I knew the guy personally, I may have teased him by asking him if he knew that we surpassed the age that we were boys and girls a long time ago and that the <3 was cute.
@bonmots - LOL. I addressed this issue in my response that was longer than the post.
@buddy71 - it was the curiosity of being able to converse with someone that thinks differently than you do. I think she was expecting a gaggle of women agreeing with her that the page was sexist instead of one asking her to defend her point.
@Erika_Steele - a very valid point
It's easy to give something a name... but if you can't explain your point, or don't even know what you're really saying (which seems to be the case, ha), you should maybe stop and leave the 'big words' to the other folk :)
@MochaSprinkle - I am legitimately interested in gender issues from both a biological and sociological stand point. I asked the question not to troll her but to understand things from her view point. I found it frustrating that she could not explain her view point. I am obsessed with structural equation modeling and can totally see myself developing pointless models on gender relationships for no reason but they entertain me. Thanks for stopping by.